can sit together, we can play together, we can do something together and stand each other. >> brown: meanwhile, of course, the upheaval and violence in the mideast continue, and that limits the reach of the orchestra. while it can perform here in the u.s. and in europe, it's nearly impossible now to play in the home countries of its members. barenboim is undeterred. >> it is even more relevant. why does the orchestra function and the situation on the ground doesn't function? because in the orchestra we have the most important quality, and that is equality. >> brown: is it frustrating to not be able to perform in the arab countries? in israel? >> yes, very much so. i think the full dimension of the west eastern divan orchestra will come to fruition when it can play in all the countries that are represented in the orchestra: turkey, lebanon, syria, jordan, egypt, palestine, and israel. >> brown: will that day come? >> one day, i'm sure, i'm sure. one day, i'm sure.